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welcome to primetime weekend. i am nicolle wallace. let's get to the top stories. >> did you know about the $130 -- $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> that will be the name of the game on monday when the ex- president's former attorney and fixer, the man who made the $130,00 hush money payment, michael cohen, takes the witness stand. it is the moment the criminal trial that president donald trump has been building toward. michael cohen will be the star witness as the recipient of the reimbursement that president donald trump was indicted for. however, michael cohen is a star witness who comes with

some baggage. a convicted felon himself, michael cohen has spent time in prison and has admitted to lying under oath, which is why we have seen the prosecution tackle this case in the way it has, methodically. they are reverse engineering all of the evidence, setting up the timeline and the documents and the fact pattern with other witnesses, corroborating every bit of michael cohen's story before he ever enters the courthouse. as we look ahead to his explosive testimony, we will take a trip down memory lane, looking at how michael cohen got here. his relationship with president donald trump was one that spanned over a decade. he started working at the trump organization in 2006 and was more than just a lawyer for president donald trump. he was an attack dog for him. abc news reported in 2011, quote, cohen, 44, is known around the office and new york as president donald trump's pitbull. in one interview with abc news, michael cohen said, quote, it means if somebody does

something that mr. trump does not like, i do everything in my power to resolve it to mr. trump's benefit. if you do something wrong, i will come at you, grab you at the neck, not let you go until i am finished. when it came time for cohen's boss to run for president, he got that fierce loyalty and combativeness. >> i am obviously very loyal and very dedicated to mr. trump. i think he is going to be not just a good president. i think he is going to be a great president. he is going to be the president that is working with everybody. >> you guys are down -- >> that is not true. >> most of them -- all of them --? >> says who? >> the polls. i just told you. i answered your question. >> which polls? >> all of them. >> okay, and your question is? >> the new york times reported michael cohen's unflinching loyalty to his boss often went on to receive gated -- once on

reciprocated. the fbi raided michael cohen's office, home, and hotel room. it grew out of robert l -- robert mueller nation's -- investigation. he served 13 months, plus time in home confinement, plus some time in solitary. eight counts include criminal tax evasion and campaign- finance violations. since then, his wish has repeated that he wants him to be held accountable. >> do i believe if it was anyone else, that that individual would already be in prison or in jail? the answer is emphatically yes. >> my goal, this is not revenge.

this is about accountability. >> this is not what so many people want to make it look like. it is michael cohen's vengeance against president donald trump. this is not what this is about. this is solely about accountability. i should not be held accountable for president donald trump's dirty deeds. let him be held accountable. >> we start the hour with one or friends. we have a full table with yasmin, plus former deputy assistant attorney general harry litman and the host of the podcast, tony, and board number political analyst mark. before i knew michael:, -- michael cohen, i played some of his testimony from 29. people should not underestimate his ability to pull it in and do something that he is committed to doing. he is committed to accountability for president donald trump. the other part of the story, the price he has paid, bill barr for women prison for writing his book.

he sees himself as one of the first two weaponize the department of justice against and all for telling the truth about president donald trump's role. >> he is not worried that they will come after him again, as many others are. let me use a word you do not hear a lot and that is the word confident. how many has he been through since he has been in the white house? dozens and dozens. this was his personal fixer for 10 years and he kept that job. he is very good at what he does. even in that cnn interview, he was very clever. it was very trumpian. he is very good at what he does, whether you like him or not. he will be great. i spoke to him today. i can say to judge merchan it is working. >> he is still posting on

tiktok. >> he said, i feel good. i'm ready to go. this is his moment. as they say, let's get ready to rumble. there is an interesting mental thing with trump. what is going to get under his skin is when he is up against another guy, i was telling a joke off camera that i rented an apartment from him and i was moving out and you have the security deposit and -- wait, that is the wrong story. he is on the video and goes, donnie, you might have better hair, but i am taller than you. >> that is incredible. >> it is a zero-sum game, another man. michael will be up for it. >> we have more in the broadcast. i know that you have been

really, i think, the skeptic at our table about michael cohen's credibility. what do you think of the job the prosecution has done to sort of pre-corroborate? >> i do not know how much of a skip perez. the short answer is excellent, although use it at the top -- you said at the top that everything has been cooperated. weisselberg came up at the end of the day and that mattered. that is the statement of facts and they will use cohen for this, that trump tells white suburban cohen, go out and take care of this. that is what produces that writing from weisselberg. right now, assuming weisselberg does not testify, you heard that bull drama at the end of the day, that is the one thing that michael cohen has to carry on. i tend to agree with donny . among other things, he has a lot of baggage, but if he keeps his cool and does not let them

-- he now has the truth on his side. he has been telling his story and it is an accurate story for a few years. you know, that, i think, will come through as it did with david pecker and stormy daniels. slot witnesses, but truthful, credible witnesses. >> i think with the jury will see -- i do not know how they will experience it or decide on the judgment, but what they will see is that michael cohen, his destruction of the fax is the same as the description of facts testified to by people who still love trump very much, and the variable is not -- my sense is that there was a bit of reverse engineering, those 25 visits that cohen had was after the case had been looked at by others or perhaps -- who else was in the room? hope hicks testified, saying they were glad they did not get

caught. you have all the documents, all the text exchanges. david pecker made this game. all of these people, most of them came down on the other side of the love -tate -- hate triangle. >> i would say a mountain. you heard from a few witnesses how often -- once, twice, they have gone over to every single comma and they know what is coming, and they have tried to coach him to keep his cool, which is going to matter a lot. again, everything, i think the whole case has been about perspective and cooperating -- corroborating what he had to say -- has to say. i just want to say, he is the only infidel in the case. they have had -- they have cared it largely with trump

folks, including shying away from those who had good things to say, like weisselberg, but they were scared of. cohen is the only person who is -- has truly pretrade trump. everyone else is either neutral or on his side to this day. >> that could trigger trump. i think many of his violations for which he has already paid fines for are about attacking michael cohen. >> he has wanted the gag order release for michael cohen. he wanted it released for stormy daniels. he wanted them amendment so he could speak publicly about them because he felt like he was sitting there and being attacked on tiktok or by stormy daniels on twitter. he wanted to be able to attack that and come back on some of the testimony he knows was out in the media, but he cannot do

that because of the gag order that is in place. what i am hearing from many sources is that it is not necessarily coming down from michael cohen to his anecdotal evidence and the alleged payoff to stormy daniels and the alleged pay backup president donald trump to michael cohen. it is going to come back to the documents. that is why those that were oh so boring, they are also so important. those text messages and the lead up between dylan howard and stormy daniels' manager, why those things are so important. stormy said she has sex with president donald trump and she wants this money. why is this taking so long? all of that was admitted into evidence because it will be that evidence they will have michael cohen .2 because they know, when i think todd winch will likely go with the cross examination, as a lead attorney, he will go with cross examination. they know he will say, you're a convicted felon. why should anybody believe you? you lighten the load -- lied

under oath. >> and you hate trump and you have an ax to grind, just like stormy daniels. but then they will save michael cohen is not telling the story are -- telling the story. the reporters are. >> i wonder if you would not see some evidence or a documentary or electronic of all that. >> he put it in today. they are setting up really compelling summations. they went over them lately. here is how many times he spoke to trump and davidson. they wanted it in evidence so they can use them to shape the story and summation. >> you put that in a new york times article from april, april 21st. they submitted a tweet from the president donald trump, in which they said they're trying to flip michael cohen. he is a loyal man, a family man. he will never do it. you will never go.

-- he will never go. think about that, four months before michael cohen pled guilty in a court of law and then he said president donald trump made me do it, which launched this entire investigation. >> even he had not said that, with a name him individually? he is the only one. >> he was the launch of the investigation. >> i worry so much that we are down this rabbit hole of, you know, did he violate his gag order or not? we are talking about someone who was the nominee -- treating witnesses worse than oops -- mobsters do when they are on trial. i sometimes i have my nose against the glass. we are talking to the president of the united states -- can he or can't he restrain himself from attacking witnesses in a criminal trial? most of the time, he cannot. >> he certainly cannot. that is another reason to hold

him accountable. i think there has been, especially in this case in particular, some discussion about it is not as serious as some of the other allegations against president donald trump. maybe this is overreach by prosecutors, but then if you look at his actual behavior, he is essentially daring people to hold him accountable for anything and i think michael cohen said it himself. if this was anybody else in michael cohen's estimation, he would go to jail, and michael cohen did go to jail. another thing to look at in a case in which, legally speaking, it will be difficult to connect president donald trump to this crime, this alleged crime that occurred, and i think that is the goal of the prosecutors, but michael cohen's testimony, the way it can connect those dots is by establishing a set of business practices, that president donald trump kept at the time. i can see from the perspective of a storyteller, the jury is going to be looking very closely at that because michael

cohen is a person who can say, yeah, well, president donald trump would not have put this in writing, but this is what he meant. i worked in -- for him for 10 years. when he said this, he meant this. i think that can be extremely compelling in a case where there is overwhelming evidence that this payoff did occur, so i do think that the jury is going to be looking at this, not just from the legalese we parse, but also from the overall story, which is that this president has not been held accountable and people who worked for him have. the other thing about michael cohen that is interesting is he has paid his debt to society. in a sense, he is the most liberated. he is not in president donald trump's -- he is not essentially in his pocket anymore. he has not really -- does not really owe anyone anything at this point. i think he is problematic, but very credible, at this point. >> what you make of two men who

went to jail for president donald trump and one of them is so not trustworthy in the eyes of the government, that they will not call on him to testify? you spoke about men, the trial male -- primal male tics. >> cohen is much more alpha than allen weisselberg is. we have spoken about this person. michael , he has owned where he was. he was very connected and it is shakespearean. he was a father figure to michael, but was very disappointing at the same time. i do know, speaking of jail, having visited michael a few times, as you mentioned, he did solitary -- the other reason he will be so good is that every moment he spent in jail, he has been waiting for this moment. jail sucks. federal prison -- it is dusty and you're in a bad uniform. you are told what to do.

i remember sitting in the waiting room and there was a vending machine that had some crackers, but he was not allowed to eat any of them. that is all leading up to this and as i said, he is going to be razor-sharp and as you mentioned, it is the documents. they are going to take him through it and it is never going to be, believe me, he becomes very credible when there is a lot of black and white ink next to him. >> some salacious testimony. what the world thinks of us as a country. watch the first ever criminal trial of an american ex- president and future candidate. this will come right after a quick break. efficiencies, and greater agility. (marquis) with a custom private 5g network.

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out to be perfectly legal to pay her $130,000. that money was not campaign money. sorry, giving you a fact you do not know. it is not campaign money. no campaign finance violation. >> so, they funneled it through a law firm? >> yes, and the president repaid it. >> he dead? but did you know the president did not know about this? >> he did not know about the specifics of it as far as i know, but he did know that michael would carry -- take care of things. >> i think i would call that a confession. the elements of the crime were a thing his surrogates -- at the moment, he is calling them a personal lawyer. >> i think something slipped and that people did not quite notice, which is trump's own

admission in the stormy case, that he repaid this. you have to think about, you know, i'm a former prosecutor, but the defense is beyond a reasonable doubt. beyond a reasonable doubt, what is the reason now that you are going to attach? i think they say it has to be some combination of did it for melania, maybe, and he got a shot in the arm from madeleine westerhout. also, he is so busy he does not know what they are about. i think that is the only reason that is left for them to argue . if i can say something, i think they have made a colossal mistake and it is because trump is the client of making this so much about whether he had sex with stormy daniels because now, first, there could be more evidence about that that would blow it out of the water, but if the jury believes her and disbelieves him, even though it is not essential to the elements of the crime, he starts weighing it all and it is unnecessary. >> you mean by the cross they

did of stormy daniels? >> and the opening, which, by the way, judge merchan said, you're the ones who put it into contention and it is true. that is going to be a big focus for the jury. it would not have to be. another defense lawyer will try the case as he is a jerk, but not a criminal, but trump would not let that line be maintained and that is the hand they have been dealt. if the jury concludes there was something to what stormy said him even though there is still some more things that -- i think they are three quarters of the way there. >> this happened in dramatic fireworks after the jury left yesterday. judge juan merchan says to todd blanche, whose reputation seems to be bigger than what we are seeing judge merchan evaluate

in the transcripts that i am seeing, but what he says to todd blanche is because you opened with trump saying he did not have sex with this woman, stormy daniels account to have sex with this man is essential. >> lisette president donald trump did not have sex with stormy daniels, hence the reason why even when they brought up objections to her testimony and they said some of this should not be allowed to be admitted, they already opened the door, and then they opened it again in cross examination with susan tran -- susan necheles. it is one of the reasons why i feel like even with the limiting instructions as to what they will be allowed to review during deliberations, we will also be questioning it because during cross- examination, they got into those details. >> the messy details said they go to her credibility, the messy details. >> why did susan necheles want

to relitigate the condom question? >> i think it was ill-advised, but she was trying to push back on her for being such, per trailing -- portraying him that way. why not walk 10 miles from that and just stay with the basics? right in front of trop, it was a bad day. >> because if you have a position that defense has landed on it and they did not have sex, why are you relitigating if they did or did not wear -- wear a condom? >> that is how it works. >> you step back and i am just listening. >> that is my point. it is about reminding people that stormy daniels is a former adult film actress. >> good a calm them -- who wore

a condom. >> as an adult film actor, you wear a condom. why was that among the things that they would cross? >> i do not know the answer to that. again, it is about getting to stormy daniels credibility. it is what we talked about, i believe it was yesterday or the day before. i know it is friday because i'm looking forward to the weekend. it is what we talked about when susan necheles, when she said you are an adult film actress. you have acted in 100+ films and directed 100+ films. you should be used to seeing them on a bed, i.e., you brought this on. >> that was a misstep. >> the fact they even had sex,

this whole idea of possibly being in this whole power structure situation, a sexual assaults, the whole thing seemed like it was going in the complete wrong direction by cross. >> how that works with a jury. >> i was falling it really closely. >> she was director not a lawyer, but i think that does not necessarily happen with a witness like stormy. >> but never? she controlled the dynamic and the rhythm of it. it was the worst examination of the trial. >> can i associate myself with a nonlawyer analysis? my sense of what they were trying to do was knock it out because it was too brutal. it was too damaging. the person omitted damaging to what was susan necheles. the person who was weinstein ask -- weinstein-esque was president donald trump's defense lawyer. >> we do not really know these

jurors individually. we know this is a new york jury in a state where a little bit of information, it is a solidly pro-choice date, okay? this is a state where i venture to guess as a former juror, as a woman, they will be people on that jury, men and women, who will say, hold up. are we supposed to be examining the behavior of the former president or is this just a woman being attacked? that kind of device in a court room is such a turnoff, that i could see it putting a bad taste in a juror's mouth from the very start and they will say, that is the best defense you have, going after a woman for being a professional at what she does? that did not sit right with me when i read the transcript. how is that going to sit with a jury? we do not really know yet, but i think we do not want to lose the human element. >> he was standing there.

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new trial date at all ever. here is the white house attorney, ty card, slamming her over that. >> she made official what everybody, including jack smith come already knew, which was she had no intention of getting this case to trial and she was not competent to get this case to trial. the things she has done are inextricable. it is tragic and she talks about having ordered the public was interest and the administration of justice by postponing the trial. she has not done so for one day in this case. >> we are back with john and andrew. this is not a political statement, what i am about to say. she has not presided over many trials, maybe one or two. she has not presided over anyone with classified materials, which is something on its own. why did jack smith not seek to

change the jurisdiction immediately? >> oh, my god, you will have to ask andrew. i do not know how that works. for president donald trump, he has had a lot of crazy luck. matt, this is like the equivalent of me picking up a strategy to get -- scratch-off ticket because it is a random assignment. this is the luckiest thing. it is pure luck, right? i do not know. if jack smith have the capacity to get this venue changed, again, i would defer to andrew, who knows more about what is possible there, and what might have been going on just -- in jack smith's head, it was obvious from the beginning to most of us this was not going to end well, and one of the things that is clear, as we sit here today, we had no doubt we would get to the trial before election day. really, even if you are delusional, you cannot see that. this is the most open and shut of the cases.

it is the most legally -- there is no world in which trump has any defense because of the law. in some ways, he does not have a lot of the problems that the new york case does in terms of actual relevance to being president. you cannot argue personal conduct in that case. >> i think i have said this to you. have you seen this season of curb? if you missed it, you're like, why is he with her? i felt that way about jack smith and aileen cannon. the search warrant becomes a legal mess and the beginning of this case's existence is before a very conservative circuit court and then in a -- because she botches it. it seems to me, again, not a lawyer, but it seemed from the beginning, that this was ill- fated if your goal was to hold him accountable for the crimes you have indicted him for. >> you know, i actually, as you know, i am someone who can tell

you if i think the department of justice made a mistake, but i actually do not think that jack made a mistake here. i think he played it straight. i have been on high-profile cases, where the issue is what venue should you pick and the overarching issue is to play it straight. where are the facts that sort of form the crime? where did they occur? that principle is in the constitution, that you should be tried where the crime occurred. here, only in the district where judge cannon is one of three judges, is there for all of the crimes charged. some of them might have been able to be charged elsewhere, but not all of them, and there is no question all of the facts could all be charged in that district. so, there was going to be a one out of three chance under the

wheel that she got the case, and the real issue here is not really jack smith, but it is judge cannon. it is just truly a disgrace that she is not doing her job. you pointed out, nicole, that she could not even handle the search warrant. she was reversed not, but twice. she had to get another federal judge to be the special master when she could have just rolled up her sleeves and done the work, and our decision says, well, there are a lot of pending motions. that is why i need to take more time. i have another idea. decide them. this is not a complicated case, so i agree with ty cobb, that she put in writing what we all knew was going to happen, but what she put in writing is sort of a testament to, at the very

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she was just dismissed as a potential juror. >> what are the issues that motivate you the most? extraordinary new exclusive reporting in the new york times today that could have a profound impact on what has become the status quo in the race for president. it has to do with the help of robert f. kennedy jr., the third-party candidate, who hopes -- could siphon votes from both presidential parties. they say he is extreme and dangerous when it comes to vaccines, citing a transcript of a 2012 divorce proceeding. in a recent interview, our friend, suzanne craig, reports among kennedys previously undisclosed health issues, which include a-fib, and an issue with mercury poisoning, there was a worm that he said

aid part of his brain from the inside of this brain before dying there. doctors thought it was a brain tumor at first. these are significant revelations in no small part because the 70-year-old kennedy, seen here doing push- ups in jeans, as one does, i guess, has sought to portray himself as vladimir putin does, shirtless and youthful, is an alternative to the other candidates. asked if the dead worm in his brain or any of his other health issues could compromise his fitness for the american presidency, a spokeswoman for the campaign told the new york times, quote, that is a hilarious suggestion, given the competition. let's bring in the reporter who broke the story, investigative reporter suzanne craig.

i knew this was coming, but i did not know what it was. i knew you had a big scoop, and this is what i read with my eyes first opened this morning and, wow is all i have to say. i am dying to hear what you learned. >> i did not say wow for a while. it was stunning. it is interesting because the worm, how it came about, is fascinating and the fact the cognitive issues he was experiencing in 2010 may not have been caused by the worm in his brain. what happened in 2010, he had severe memory loss. in the interview i had with them, a few months ago, he said it was severe memory fog, so he went to the doctor and he did two things. he had his mercury levels tested, which is not the first thing people would think to do. he was an environmental lawyer and a batting skeptic.

-- vaccine skeptic. he has his three levels tested, but then a friend of them says, you should really go and also get a brain scan to see if you have a tumor and the year before, ted kennedy had died of brain cancer. he operated down at duke. he goes and gets a brand scan in his scan is immediately shared with surgeons around the country, who have looked at ted kennedy, and they all said this is a brain tumor and he was scheduled for surgery the next morning at duke. they said, get down here. we are going to open up your brain. he is booking his ticket to go down there, according to the deposition that i reviewed, that we refer to in the story, and he gets a call from another doctor in new york, who said i do not think you have earned your surgery. what the doctor felt was there was a parasite in his brain, that what they were saying on

the scans was a parasite or a dead worm. they concluded that was the case. so, the thing that was complicating it, i was phoning neurosurgeons and they are like, normally, when we see this, we do not see severe long- term and short-term memory. in fact, it would have to be multiple parasites to cause that because long and short- term memory are controlled by different parts of the brain, however they said -- i was trying to figure that out and normally, what happens when a worm is in the brain, it can lived there for a long time and the brain can adopt to it. when it dies, it causes inflammation. when people show up at a hospital and they have this, they have seizures. this is not something i could tell from the deposition that kennedy had been through when i interviewed him. he did not say that had happened. the other thing that was going

on, when we have a mercury testing he had, he found out around the same time that his mercury levels in his blood were 10 times the epa recommendation come off the chart. it was not going to kill him, but it was pretty serious. the reason for that, because it did not work -- you should not be exposed to mercury of those levels. think about that. when i spoke to him, he said he was eating tuna fish sandwiches every day. he was eating an an enormous amount of tuna fish sandwiches, sushi, tuna, and perch. it elevated his mercury unlikely cost the memory loss that was severe. these things were previously unknown's and are two neurological issues that were going on with them and the concerning thing is you can bounce back from both of them or you can have permanent brain damage from both of these things. we are reliant on him as a narrator now to say he is saying he is fine and we have

to rely on that. we do not have any current medical records. >> look, i worked on two presidential campaigns. john mccain was a skin cancer survivor and i remember when he came to arizona and spent hours going through his health records. we do not lived in that moment. president donald trump has a doctor who said, you know, they could be skeptical. his weight is not the issue. it is the lying and lack of transparency in terms of what is real. what is your sense with how things were received and how the kennedy group responded by the impact? >> i think people were really shocked. not surprising -- it is serious. there is a concern. i will leave it to the late- night shows to make jokes about his mental acuity or lack thereof. i do not know. as a reporter, that is a troubling part of the story, because we wanted answers about if that is -- this has caused any issues, and we do not know.

that was what was most troubling about this. their response, we followed up -- i asked for his medical records and they declined to provide them. they provided the comment you read, and then he just recently tweeted out a funny joke about even with five brain worms, he would do better in the debates or something. he is making light of it, rather than giving us more information. he also has another neurological condition that we know about, which is his voice. the problem with his voice is a neurological issue. he has three neurological issues that we now know about, if he had the more has them. he also has a-fib. he has a heart condition we learned about in the deposition, and it was so serious that he has been hospitalized for it and there has been news reports on it. when you see the news report, you do not know, is this a long- term condition, but he has had a-fib for years in his heart

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