for decades, ukraine voted for pro-russian populist forces. this is wasted time for the entire nation. and now let's see what our neighbors have done, whom we are now reproaching for not helping us enough. it is in this window of opportunity. central europe and the baltic states. they joined nato, they joined the european union, they placed western military bases. poland can now talk about what it is ready to accommodate. american nuclear weapons, respectively, russian provocations in belarus, i.e the european peoples lived this window of opportunity the way it was supposed to be lived, the ukrainians lived this window of opportunity completely incompetently, and again they talked about it in the 90s, it’s not like i said it now, i wrote it for every independence day , did not pass film tests, did not get into the studio, did not fulfill, do not fulfill the decalogue, i was simply tired of saying things that were understood by everyone. child only

on the majority of our compatriots with you, who stubbornly, if they suddenly voted for someone who was a supporter, turned out not to was, turned out to be a supporter of independent development, they quickly got rid of him, he was enemy number one for them, such was the fate of leonid kravchuk, viktor yushchenko and petro poroshenko, that's all, and we reached collapse, fiasco, and war. now, what can be next, of course, from this process of military exit for now. which isn't, but it may be found someday, at least in a low intensity war, there may be a change in russia, andrew, and then the question is we'll have a window of opportunity again, it won't be long, uh, it could be there 10 years, then russia will demonstrate its imperial aggression again, when you live next to a country like russia, a former continental empire that cannot win - you have to realize that at some

point this feeling of imperial aggression will prevail over common sense. because you can see that everything they do is outside of the healthy mind, outside. they're destroying their own economy again, they're destroying their own society's ability to grow, they're destroying their own economic assets, they're shutting down these oil wells because they can't develop them, that's idiocy, but that's exactly what they did after 1917, they just cut themselves off all the time. i don't know, the organs themselves with scissors, and this is not the foreskin, so in this regard, it must be clearly understood, so if we succeed in the future those who will remain here, you are in the territory that will remain, we do not know either the number of the population, nor the territory, nor its fate, well, let's say there after some time, i don't know when it will be, maybe such a situation will be created in 2025, or maybe in 2040, no i know, nobody knows now. what will it

look like if we don't use, secondly, this window of opportunity, thirdly, because the first time we could have used it was in period 2, 190 tam 17, 1920, and needless to say, nobody used it either, they also used it, someone was able to use it, but we couldn't, because again there was discord, misunderstanding of the task, certainty that it was possible to negotiate with moscow, everything was the same, you remember that there was probably a man sitting here in kyiv. the head of the council of people's committee of soviet ukraine hristiyan rakovsky, and he led at the same time, negotiations with the leadership of the ukrainian state pavel skarapatsky, and negotiations with the former head of the government of the central council volodymyr vinnychenko about the overthrow of the government of pavel skarapatsky, but vinnychenko talked, they talked about all this, that is, they believed that it was possible to come to an agreement with the bolsheviks, that is, that was all the same, so they didn't use it then, they didn't use it now, but fortunately we have already existed for three years, and 303. and uh, from this situation, if

we don't use this objective opportunity again, it will end in state collapse, sooner or later this state will disappear from the political map of the world, because it cannot be like this, it cannot be done every time when history gives you a chance, to me the struggle for ukrainian independence, to be honest, reminds me of this anecdote about a person who dreamed of winning the lottery, asked god, why don't you let me win, all the time? went to church, and god said, buy a lottery ticket, well, it’s the same thing, we are always given a chance, god is merciful to ukrainians, he gives them a chance, and they constantly start thinking, navilla, who lives in an apartment in the old khrushchevka, it takes longer, because you have to live a lot, and how else, better than a neighbor. and

as long as there is such a mentality, the existence of the ukrainian state is not guaranteed, again, because we are facing a country in which the value of human life is two, in which the government specifically marginalizes most of the territory so that there are soldiers, what do you think , it's just like that, this kind of mobilization is going on in russia, i assure you, they sat with the ministers of the economic bloc back in 2014, and they asked them if people would go to war, and they were told, well, why should they go, it means that the level of purchasing power of the population must be reduced, we rejoiced every time when they said, russians are getting poorer. but they got to buchi, to the warty woman, and right there their eyes popped out of their foreheads, because they saw the wealth, what wealth, ordinary life, wipers and vacuum cleaners, and now imagine what if it was a guy from this

buryad chikalsky or a russian village , i would normally live there, i would receive normal wages money, he would have money for an apartment or a mortgage, he would have this washing machine and this vacuum cleaner, which he would have bought for himself on... some alibaba, what is it called, why the hell would he go to the army at all, but he didn't go , i wouldn’t go, of course, so these people think strategically, ten years ahead, understand how to prepare the population, when the choice is only one, either to the shack, or to military service, to the shack, that’s the whole story for you, and it’s actually completely realistic assessments, perhaps pessimistic... realistic for some, but in fact, such is life, and such are the realities of our country, and until we understand this to the end, until that moment we will repeat the mistakes of the past, because

always, always in principle they say that we must take into account all the mistakes of the past in order to have the present and to have the future, we do not take into account the mistakes of the past. we don't have a future, that's all, and you were absolutely right about the 90s, and in the end, a lot of things were similarly forgotten, a lot of time and zero, and even in fact we are getting up to 2014, i mentioned , i even if we are now let's open the ratings and see in 2013 , most people were against nato, the 13th year, the 13th year, how long is this? april is the anniversary of the ratification of the kharkiv agreements by the verkhovna rada of ukraine, well, this is one more, one more proof of how wrongly we moved and how much we are today, and i say again,

today and in the future, we must take all this into account, yes, because even people did not even gather near the parliament, no one was interested in these kharkiv agreements, although it was already the end, and now i am not... the other day i read the memoirs of a well-known person ukrainian diplomat leonid osovalyuk, whom i have known since the time when he was the consul general in moscow, and i also got along, he tells that how he, as a representative of the ministry of foreign affairs, during the time of kuchma, had to ratify the agreement on demarcation in azov sea, and how they brought the russian project to him before the meeting between kuchma and putin and told him that he needed to ratify the russian project, which actually created this for this sea of ​​azov, the internal sea of ​​russia, which happened as a result, and how he said that he will not to sign, and viktor medvedchuk and anatoly orel, deputy head of the administration

of the president of ukraine for foreign policy, whom everyone considered to be people connected to the kremlin and not to ukraine, and these are people who manage the administration of the president. they said: no, get a visa, and leonid kuchma turned out to be the only person who said: no, without a visa at the ministry of foreign affairs, i will not sign anything, but this, listen, but this is because it was kuchma, not yanukovych, kuchma wanted to maneuver all the time , and if there was yanukovych, everything was signed in general in russian, and for me i remembered how i he himself was present at the negotiations on the demarcation of the sea of ​​azov, in other times, when our deputy minister of foreign affairs, anton, came to moscow. and what happened before sovalyuk, and we did not have maritime borders with russia at all, you know, and they never arose, and he brought to these negotiations such maps of the general staff of the armed forces of russia, of the soviet union, i apologize, because on these maps, unlike others, the sea border was drawn, and

the deputy minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation told him, and which one has the meaning of the map of the general staff, what kind of map is it, and i see that they are simply mocking this unfortunate... our representative , that is, russia knew for sure that it was impossible to draw any borders in the sea of ​​azov, because they already then had for themselves. in their heads that sooner or later they will have to capture mariupol and berdyansk, which means they need their ships to be able to legitimately and legally get right under our ports, and they achieved this, by the way, they achieved renewal of the black sea fleet in crimea during yanukovych, then that they were creating such positions for themselves all the time, in fact they were once again putting this burden on our necks, and we were laughing at ourselves... but they also said that it should be so, i

will remember for the rest of my life the entire propaganda campaign that was against me in the early 90s, because i saw it differently then than i do today, i was a very young person when i said that if we negotiated cheap gas with russia, we would never have a normal economy, never normal state, that we will be completely dependent on the russian one smiles, and by the way, look... now on the map of europe, precisely in those countries where russian gas continues to make up 50% of the total energy balance there, these are hungary and slovakia, that's where all the pro-russian forces are triumphing, and look, let's look at ukraine, where all these gas issues created a whole, i would say, network of people interested in relations with russia, and not only in the east in... the south where is the main ukrainian university of oil and gas specialists?

yes, do you know where? as far as i understand, this is an event our country yes, because these main compressor stations were there, that is, that is, in fact, we are witnessing how, step by step, pebble by pebble , this foundation, the foundation of the occupation of ukraine, was created, yes. they were preparing the occupation of ukraine in various ways, and economic, political, cultural, and informational, we should also talk about this, and this issue has been raised in essence only since 2014, about the informational occupation that was pouring into people's heads, what lies, what propaganda, how much they tried to connect us with that the russian world, so that a part of people who... at least could perceive it, so that they felt they belonged to this

russian world. of course, but again , it all started just when the russian czechs came to power and understood how to work with all this, how to use this potential of russian tv channels, which were watched by a huge number of our compatriots, in order to influence their lives these are all your ideas, but what happened before that, i came to kyiv, i remember dmytro kiselyov, yes. work on a tv channel ictv, where i also hosted a program for a short time, and dmytro kiselyov said to me: "vitali, you know, i have a dream, here i am with my programs about how wonderful it is to live in europe." well, he made a series of programs for russian television about the european way of life. and i say perfectly. and what? they must be shown to ukrainians so that ukrainians know that the future of their country is in europe, i say, well, they must be shown, of course, but before that, dmytro tells me, they must be translated into ukrainian . i don't want it to be in russian ukrainians should look at their future in their native language, so that it is convincing, so that they see that this is their

future, and not just a russian-language journalist telling them about something, this is the same dmytro kiselyov, who is now coming to the ramp in russian propaganda channels and they say that we should all be destroyed, burned, radioactive ash, all that, so if you don't have this curator from lubyanka, you can think like, let's say, sdo... a person of your own views to have, and as soon as you are taken and they remind me, you are a soldier of the information front, comrade dmytro kiselyov or comrade volodymyr solovyov, i am not talking about these skabeevs, barobeevs, it is generally true, then of course you serve in this army, but how many of our colleagues with you were part of this system at all these channels, firtash, medvedchuk, are they only russian? processed our compatriots, and i actually lead to this, that we and in what language

do all these anonymous telegram channels connected with the president's office write now, maybe russian and it is also understandable, because they are, were and will be scoops, the question arises, if you even want to work with public opinion, why don’t you do it in ukrainian, because russian is the language even among ourselves, we are our own people, we are not let's pretend in anonymous...channels that we are with you, well, how should i say it, some ukrainian nationalists there, well, of course, why would we do that... that's the whole essence of these people, and these people are now in large numbers collectively decide whether or not this country will exist because we we talk a lot about the armed forces, of course, if it were not for the resistance of the armed forces, then of course ukraine would have been a russian province long ago, but in order for ukraine to survive, an effective understanding of the state and all these challenges is needed, this is an important point, you

mentioned about china, and i think it should be mentioned, it should be mentioned in principle about this... the triangle that is being actively, actively used now is the united states of america, china and russia. that is, we must now talk about the visit of anthony blinken, the us secretary of state to china, it is very interesting, and we should talk now about support, including china, by china to russia, right? and, by the way, you mentioned about... china, including in the context of these conditional agreements, possible, so that the russians are trying to advance through china, it is also very interesting, in your opinion, is it imposing now china, this russian agenda, and certain russian postulates

for possible agreements that russia would like. actually, so to speak, promote, at least in mass media. i think china is not interested in that. china is interested in interception of diplomatic initiatives. now it is obvious that this peace forum will be held in switzerland, in the mountains, and, by the way, not only president zelensky can come to it, let's say, the leaders of various european countries are not there, president biden can be there, this is such a diplomatic thing, we are all gathering and condemning russia together, calling. it until the end of the war, this is approximately the level of irritation that the russians have always had on the crimean platform. it seemed to us, why are they rehearsing so much, they are no one in crimea selects, and it is unpleasant for them that this whole idea of ​​theirs, that everyone recognizes that they have the right, it fails, but it turns out that it is possible to hold the crimean platform, then various heads of state will come, even those with whom they have

good relations, president erdogan and they will say, we consider crimea to be ukrainian, and we continue to think so, this is a diplomat. of course, russia wants to prevent this diplomatic defeat, as it itself cannot do anything in this situation, it can act through china. chinese representatives at first, when they started talking to them about participating in the forum of peace, began to insist that a russian delegation headed by sergei lavrov be there. we said it almost without hiding about it, there are publications in various publications, both western and non-western, that is , it is... absolutely such an obvious thing, it seems, when they try to push russia there, knowing that it will not be there, and they then they can say, you know, you didn't invite russia, we won't come either, why should we go there, but at the same time it's not enough, then china says, you know,

in fact, this is not a real conference, a real conference where moscow and kyiv will be held, and if you cannot secure it in switzerland, then i think that this is a matter of our initiative, we will make a platform where you can hold your negotiations, real negotiations, that is real negotiations, they will be if the russians and ukrainians in china meet with their, how to say, opponents, enemies, to be precise. and they actually force everyone to discuss it, because they can hold another conference, let's say there will be a peace forum in switzerland and some forum in china where no there will be ukraine, because we will refuse to go there, because russia will be there, if we go there, it will be strange, true, but half of the countries of the global south

that were at the forum in switzerland can go there, and thus the results themselves. khroms will be devalued, these countries will already know how to go there, they will be very careful from the point of view of making some decisions there, there will be some vague resolution, and then they will pass a vague resolution of the same level, for peace and friendship, for everything is good these are alternative conference, this is what moscow wants to achieve through the mediation of beijing, beijing also absolutely does not need moscow's diplomatic defeat, that's all, that's why they act synchronously, as we can see. him absolutely, i would say confidently in this situation, because lavrov praises the chinese peace plan all the time, which does not exist, but the idea of ​​a peace plan of china, relatively speaking... and a global rooster, it is very simple, it can be reduced to two theses : a cease-fire on the contact line where the parties are,

if russia is ready for it, and cancellation sanctions, to pay for the ceasefire by canceling sanctions, that is, a de facto freeze and a de facto such a big fat plus for russia, from the point of view of cancellation. think about a freeze, but with the continuation of sanctions, this is the difference in essence, you do not want to agree on anything, so we understand that now both sides are exhausted, the conflict is frozen, a truce, but the sanctions will be canceled when you fulfill all the instructions of the international rights, if you leave donbas, there will be one lifting of sanctions, if you leave crimea, another level of lifting of sanctions, if will fire at uh... the territory of ukraine, which means that such sanctions will be maintained, here it is such a game of batik and gingerbread,

by and large, for any, any readiness of russia to return to normality, russia will be given the opportunity to receive economic preferences, and china has a completely opposite attitude, it has a thesis that sanctions cannot be used as a tool in technical policy at all, and that the only tool for introduction. this is a decision of the security council of the united nations, that is , no decision, because we understand that at the level of the united nations, sanctions cannot be imposed against any state. what kind of country should it be that the united states, china, russia, france and great britain imposed sanctions against it, well, we know what north korea and iran are like in connection with the nuclear program, but russia that adheres to this sanctions regime, but no longer , not anymore, it was before, it was before. not anymore, but blinken has come to china, what are your expectations, what are the consequences that may be, will be,

or will not be, or china, i think that a clear position has been made public, to the americans fed up with the fact that china is helping russia's military-technical complex, and they will be ready to monitor it more carefully and introduce sanctions against chinese companies, it is not very pleasant for sidzimpid, but... he will somehow survive six months, because xijin ping, like putin is waiting for the results of the presidential elections in the united states, for him cooperation with this administration is a very conditional thing, so he will make some decisions, say, to cancel military-technical cooperation, or on the contrary to strengthen it after he learns the name of the winner of the united states presidential election, that is , at this point, china's support for russia on... it will not increase, it will be cautious, but it will not go anywhere, because no one will be able to explain to the head of the chinese people's republic, why should he

change his policy at all, well, blinkin has arrived, who is blinkin, blinkin may no longer be in office in january of next year, siziyanka is known forever, well, at least from her point of view, that is, they need to understand how and putin, what will happen... in the united states for the next four years. and this is actually the main question for them. they will certainly be more careful now. because, again, no additional sanctions for leaving are needed. no. but, at the same time, they will not do anything that, one way or another, can change their opportunity, say. so save russia in the situation russia found itself as a result of this war. so here it seems to me that everything

is absolutely obvious, and by and large this is their common policy, it will be like this, well you know, once again we talked with igor that the chinese do not treat these symbols in the same way, we, that is, if they knew for sure, then the calendar is political, and blinkin is coming today, and today we are sending our defense minister to astana , and he shakes shoigu's hand there, they definitely asked to postpone this conference, if they didn't want it, they would have been negotiating for a month, but they would have definitely agreed that this conference would be either a week earlier or later by two, so that these two events are not connected, they are not they are simply connected, they are absolutely. but clearly in these publications close to beijing, like the south china morning post, let's say, they write whole reviews that show this photo of the ministers of defense, and the content is...

this text about blinkin's visit, that is, they clearly say, this is a signal , here is the answer to blinkin's visit, the handshake between the minister of defense of china and the minister of defense of the russian federation? what to add here? and again this should cure us of certain illusions about chinese politics. yes, i would say so a certain political axiom. is it possible to have a good relationship with the people's republic of china, money? must see with which small countries of europe does sydzenpin visit during his european tour, well, besides france, well, france is clear, it is a big economic partner, serbia and hungary, and one more country in europe is the republic of belarus, which the president constantly visits beijing, but what unites these three countries, they are in different blocs, it is hungary, a member of nato and the european union, serbia does not, wants to join the european

union, nato does not want, belarus is a member at all to... the union, they have only one thing in common: they are friends with putin, the orientation of the government is towards russia, so yes, everyone in ukraine should realize that by and large, if the condition in our situation is good relations with the people's republic of china, investments, political support, whatever, there must be a political understanding with the russian federation, this is a package, and we can afford it, i'm interested, but now that you and i don't know, we'll leave. another missile attack will start from here, well, we'll be with you for 20 minutes or 30 minutes ago, they already talked about the possibility of any conditional relations with russia and, in principle, any agreements with russia, that's right, so i think that the answer here is absolutely on the surface, that of course not, at least for now, at least in the geopolitical axis in which

china and russia are today. we have literally two minutes left here, mr. igor and i mentioned iran, in short, in your opinion, will any arms supplies to russia from iran be increased? i don't, iran entered into a clinch with israel, now he himself needs weapons, of course, nothing has happened now, but who knows what will happen in six months, in a year. iran will provide russia with technological capabilities there to... to produce shaheds, to possibly build some missiles, but iran itself will now be stockpiling weapons, and imagine the amount of weapons iran has spent on this attack on israel , how many in general, how many missiles, drones, millions of dollars, it’s all somehow necessary, language, there is language, there is language it is perhaps even about tens of millions of dollars, because it is not easy, there are still certain technical points, so the use of these

weapons, well... we have such a situation now, so of course, we will, we will believe that and this peace summit in switzerland, it will still bring unification for states, at least of the civilized world, and neutral states, let's also hope that china and russia will not succeed, relatively speaking, in nullifying the results of this summit, and even if it.. . will not bring any practical results, then at least political statements and political support of ukraine on it will be very, very important for all of us. andriy smoliy, vitaliy portnikov, thank you and wish thank you, see you in a week. good evening, friends.

it's news time on the spresso tv channel, greetings to all viewers and iryna koval in the studio, just now to the most important events. the bodies of two men were found in tisza by the border guards in... transcarpathia drowned people were found yesterday evening while patrolling the ukrainian-romanian border, but drowning people managed to get out of the water only in the morning due to the high rapids and strong current of the river. currently, law enforcement officers are establishing the identities of the dead. according to the information of the state border service , this is already the 24th case of the death of men in the mountain river of the first full-scale invasion.